[00:23] MasterYoda (i=mnichols@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MasterYoda) joined #openser. [00:24] greetings [00:24] how do I write 'or' in if statements in openser? [00:24] is it like c (||) or perhaps something else? (if (1 || 2) { stuff; }; [00:27] || [00:27] ok thanks [00:28] np [00:29] MasterYoda (i=mnichols@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MasterYoda) left irc: "Leaving" [00:30] qdk (n=qdk@80.243.125.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:40] hohum (n=dcorbe@c-71-62-76-68.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined #openser. [01:00] sob0l (n=sobol@pm252-75.piastlan.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:14] qdk (n=qdk@80.243.125.204) joined #openser. [01:14] lycurgus (n=lycurgus@69-163-133-132.atlsfl.adelphia.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:17] MACscr (n=MACscr@adsl-75-23-73-100.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) joined #openser. [01:17] hello everyone [01:18] is openser all command line configurating or does it have a gui? Sorry if the question sounds stupid, but i just stumbled upon the project [01:19] ahm, my bad, just realized it cant be a b2bua [01:19] thanks anyway [01:19] thank you, drive through [01:22] MACscr: still curious what is wrong with mailing lists [01:30] flags do not persist across the different sip messages, correct? [01:32] it seems that way [01:37] JT: most mailing list scripts that are used are very poor to search and especially browse [01:37] then, when you find what you want, not all will let you reply without using mail [01:38] im just saying that its a poor replacement for a good message board [01:38] forums serve a different purpose [01:38] Defraz (n=t0tal@fw.fuzecore.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:38] mailman is a good mailing list manager [01:38] and used by quite a lot now [01:39] no its not [01:39] that because its easy to setup [01:39] but its not a good solution [01:39] mailing lists are a different concept to a forum [01:39] yes, it is [01:39] it is not meant to emulate a forum [01:40] its meant to more be a club [01:40] ? [01:40] and not good for archiving data for new people find and get involved with [01:40] i have had no problem searching for stuff on mailing lists [01:40] it works much better than searching forums [01:41] it's much more efficient too [01:43] JT: do you run linux or mac as your main desktop? [01:43] no [01:44] not sure how that's relevant to what we're talking about [01:46] it has a lot to do with a users thought process [01:47] ok, so you're trying to determine if i am idiot or not [01:47] i'll make it easy [01:47] i'm not an idiot [01:47] no, not at all [01:47] forums are designed for idiots [01:47] great if you need to share pretty pictures and avatars [01:47] well, you just proved yourself right there [01:47] not so great if you actually need to get work done without wasting all day reading through morons comment whoring [01:47] mailing lists have their place for sure [01:47] its a tool [01:48] no, you keep trying to categorise things into simplistic pigeon holes [01:48] just like a forum is a tool [01:48] the world's not like that [01:48] actually it is when it comes to market and managing a community project [01:49] most developers are horrible about user friendliness and a good ui [01:49] community projects are based off the community [01:49] members of the community have day jobs [01:49] they don't have all day waiting for a silly forum to load [01:49] then to find there's half a dozen "first post" posts [01:51] forum load time? what kind of crappy connection or pc do you have? I will completely admit that forums can be implemented poorly just as much as a mailing list can be [01:52] umm [01:52] this isn't even a debatable area to be honest [01:52] forums take a considerably long period of a user's time to use, and disrupt their workflow [01:53] an email gets pushed to your email client setup of your choice, as soon as it is made [01:53] in a mailing list [01:53] in a forum, the closest you can get is a notification via email, which tells you to look at the web site [01:54] yep, pretty efficient [01:54] CunningPike (n=CunningP@dhcp-10-234.district.north-van.bc.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:59] a properly setup forum will have the content of the forum post within it [01:59] er, within the notification [01:59] forums are a lot easier to read an entire conversation as well [02:00] google groups are pretty good though i will admit [02:00] then it's basically acting as an inefficient mailing list [02:00] like i said in the beginning, not all are bad [02:00] most forums don't do that anyway [02:00] except commercial managed mailing lists, which are a hybrid [02:00] eg yahoo groups and msn's thing [02:01] the hybrid thing is the best way to go imho then [02:01] but mailman is by far one of the worst [02:01] they're usually run by third parties [02:01] which is not at all optimal [02:01] mailman is great [02:01] it's flexible [02:01] fast [02:02] can you show me a mailman archive that is easy to navigate and search? [02:02] just use google to search through it [02:03] ah, so now its up to a third party to index the content for it to work, right? [02:04] harder to search a particular category of the list as well [02:04] still not seeing the problem, most people keep their email, and can search trhough their own email [02:04] if there's different categories, there's different lists [02:04] actually most people do not [02:04] otherwise it's just the one [02:04] most people who aren't idiots [02:04] archive [02:04] so they don't lost important stuff [02:05] which would not be a mailing list [02:05] it would [02:05] emails = mailing list content [02:06] then your not in touch with the email habits of the majority of internet users [02:06] sorry, why would people care about catering to the habits of clueless people, in this context? that's madness [02:07] a lot of people do stupid things [02:07] that does not make it a good idea [03:51] MACscr (n=MACscr@adsl-75-23-73-100.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:56] hohum (n=dcorbe@c-71-62-76-68.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:36] CunningPike (n=CunningP@S010600095b33697f.vc.shawcable.net) joined #openser. [05:19] L|NUX (n=linux@unaffiliated/lnux/x-10290) joined #openser. [07:08] bkw__ (i=brian@adsl-70-143-50-36.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [07:24] CunningPike (n=CunningP@S010600095b33697f.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:51] patrickv0x (n=patrick@64.235.249.83) got netsplit. [07:51] karwin (n=ronw@w3.somanetworks.com) got netsplit. [07:51] patrickv0x (n=patrick@64.235.249.83) returned to #openser. [07:51] karwin (n=ronw@w3.somanetworks.com) returned to #openser. [07:51] ronw_ (n=ronw@ns.somanetworks.com) joined #openser. [07:52] karwin (n=ronw@w3.somanetworks.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] friedo (n=hscholz@123.org) joined #openser. [09:02] hi [09:09] hi [09:10] I am installing openser from tar.gz, how do I get the mysql module to install as well? I have the openser running, but it will give me an error if I try to add mysql support to it [09:14] do you have the mysql header files installed to allow compilation? On SER you'd have to change to modules/mysql and type 'make' [09:14] if that throws errors you need to install some stuff [09:16] <_Bilbo_> plr_: make include_modules="mysql" [09:18] friedo: ok, it does throw errors [09:18] I just installed mysql server package, do I still need to install some header files too? [09:18] <_Bilbo_> depends on your distribution [09:18] <_Bilbo_> probably [09:19] I've got fedora [09:24] <_Bilbo_> there should be a "mysql-devel" package...? [09:25] ok that was it, I installed it and now it's not throwing errors anymore, thanks [09:25] <_Bilbo_> :) [09:38] hmm, after remaking it, the mysql module still didn't show up [09:40] I tried make include_module="mysql" and then make install [09:44] h3x (n=hex@ip68-224-50-207.lv.lv.cox.net) joined #openser. [09:46] tcseke (n=chatzill@22-36.adsl.etel.hu) joined #openser. [09:53] heh, I probably have to have it on both.. [10:00] <_Bilbo_> make include_modules="mysql" install [10:00] <_Bilbo_> yes [10:00] <_Bilbo_> you have to include the "include_modules" statement in every make call [10:05] that did it [10:05] sob0l (n=sobol@emi250.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined #openser. [10:33] qdk (n=qdk@80.243.125.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:40] henning (n=henning@et-1-5.gw-nat.bs.ka.oneandone.net) joined #openser. [10:45] qdk (n=qdk@213.150.62.32) joined #openser. [11:53] ok, I think I'm getting very close. I have openser up and running with mysql support enabled and I've been able to add an user, but when I try to connect to it, I get a respond "Registration failed", how should I go about debugging this? can I somehow log what openser is receiving and sending? [12:22] plr: Set the debug level to 9 in the config, then you will get plenty of output in the logs. On the network level you can use wireshark or ngrep [12:29] henning: ok, do you know where all the logs are stored in default? [12:40] in /var/log/message or -daemon, depending on your system configuration [12:59] miconda (n=daniel@81.180.83.75) joined #openser. [13:52] miconda (n=daniel@81.180.83.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] I changed the mysql socket directory and now openser is giving me an error, because of that - does someone know where in openser that is configured so I could get it up and working with the new directory? [14:04] or do I need to compile it once again? [14:06] prl_:http://www.openser.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/troubleshooting:faq#qi_get_the_following_errornew_connectioncan_t_connect_to_local_mysql_server_through_socket_..._mysql.sock_._what_is_wrong [14:06] don't know it exactly, but look in the troubleshooting faq [14:07] you must change the setting in the mysql client too [14:08] ok, I just changed it in my.cnf and restarted the daemon [14:11] _Bilbo__ (n=bastian@62.206.217.68) joined #openser. [14:12] _Bilbo_ (n=bastian@mail.collax.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:19] L|NUX (n=linux@unaffiliated/lnux/x-10290) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] Nick change: _Bilbo__ -> _Bilbo_ [14:32] <_Bilbo_> henning: you could use the perl module for your random function [14:34] Nix (n=Nix@85.105.18.36) joined #openser. [14:35] _Bilbo_: hi bilbo [14:35] <_Bilbo_> hi ;) [14:36] yes, i know.. But this must work for 0.9.5.. :-/ [14:36] <_Bilbo_> yuck [14:36] it is possible to reload the perl functions on runtime? [14:36] <_Bilbo_> no, unfortunately not [14:36] <_Bilbo_> but you could evaluate a file or sth during runtime [14:36] <_Bilbo_> or use shared memory that you externally set [14:37] you are right. That could be a way. [14:37] and possible the easiest.. Can you estimate how much overhead the perl functions call need? [14:37] this function will be called quite often.. [14:38] in comparison to a native call in the cfg [14:39] <_Bilbo_> on my machine it's ~ 70 microseconds :) [14:40] <_Bilbo_> wrong [14:41] <_Bilbo_> a perl function takes 24 microseconds [14:41] <_Bilbo_> afair, normal functions take ~ 10 µs [14:41] This is a good value, nice! you setup the perl function in advance, and then simpy call to wrapper? [14:42] i don't look in the module yet, sorry [14:43] <_Bilbo_> correct [14:43] <_Bilbo_> the script is parsed during initialization [14:44] ok, thanks. I will consider this, perhaps there is an option to use the perl module. How its going with your thesis? [14:44] <_Bilbo_> well... I'm kaputt... [14:44] <_Bilbo_> I'll have to submit it today in one week [14:45] <_Bilbo_> things will be fine afterwards ;) [14:45] go, go [14:45] <_Bilbo_> :-> [14:45] <_Bilbo_> osas: you took the perl module out again on your embedded distributions? [14:45] only on some distributions [14:46] I kept it in the one that I have control [14:46] hehe.. Then you really need to have some party.. ;-) [14:46] there are a gazillion of architecture out there and I can't test them all [14:46] <_Bilbo_> osas: *nodd* [14:46] <_Bilbo_> henning: i'll sleep for a week. then the party can start ;) [14:47] there are some other optional modules that were tacken out for the same reason [14:47] taken [14:48] I will need to bite the bullet and try to cross compile the xml-rpc module :p [14:48] some times ... [14:49] _Bilbo_: and after that? Where do you want to work? Do you stay at collax? [14:50] <_Bilbo_> i probably will, yes [14:50] <_Bilbo_> the contract isnt signed yet, but i hope it will be in the next weeks [14:50] ok, nice [14:50] <_Bilbo_> anyway... I'll be away now. paperwork's waiting [14:50] <_Bilbo_> l8er [14:50] _Bilbo_: ok, see you [14:57] bye [15:09] qdk (n=qdk@213.150.62.32) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:26] osas: it doesnt even build properly on 64bit :-( [15:26] which one? [15:27] Nix: I might need your help in building the freeradius client for arm ... [15:28] cross compilation [15:28] heh. I have no idea.. I just build for SUSE on 32 and 64 bit.. and lates openser doesnt work on 64 bit :-( [15:28] still havent managed to fix it! [15:29] the freeradius client is your baby ... isn't it? [15:29] we only just got radiusclient 64bit cleen a few weeks ago (obviously no one have EVER used (open)ser on 64bit with radius) [15:29] and now they go and break it again :-( [15:29] heh [15:29] osas: FreeRADIUS (client|server) is my baby ;-) [15:29] how about having fun with all the embedded platforms .... ;-) [15:30] send me one and I will play ;-) [15:32] on arm I have most of the modules working (including perl) [15:32] but building the xml-rpc ... is tough ... [15:32] because all the requirements that they have for building the xml-rpc libraries [15:33] not a simple make .... [15:34] Nix: when I will have some spare time, I will bug you about both FreeRADIUS (client|server) [15:34] k [15:34] wiki.freeradius.org is a good place to start.. I spent weeks on it ;-) [15:34] I want to upgrade to the latest server release, and add the new client [15:34] these are mostly build issues ... [15:34] cross compilation .... [15:35] I know about the site :-) [15:35] I got radiusclient-ng working ... and next step was the freeradius [15:41] micond1 (n=daniel@81.180.83.75) joined #openser. [15:47] skytale (n=skytale@193.170.48.50) joined #openser. [15:48] ok [15:48] well, freeradius-client is basically the same as radiusclient-ng. it just has a few bug fixes and a new embedded mode [15:48] use my rpms.. [15:48] http://software.opensuse.org/download/network:/aaa/ [15:54] Nix: I'm building for arm ... [15:57] codestr0m (n=asura@ns1.netsyncro.com) joined #openser. [16:50] essobi_ (i=kstone@spider.smoothstone.com) joined #openser. [16:50] Howdy [17:24] CunningPike (n=CunningP@dhcp-10-234.district.north-van.bc.ca) joined #openser. [17:37] sob0l (n=sobol@emi250.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [17:47] tcseke (n=chatzill@22-36.adsl.etel.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]" [17:53] qdk (n=qdk@80.243.125.204) joined #openser. [18:05] Nix (n=Nix@85.105.18.36) left #openser. [18:29] henning (n=henning@et-1-5.gw-nat.bs.ka.oneandone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] Nix (n=Nix@81.213.125.220) joined #openser. [19:09] micond1 (n=daniel@81.180.83.75) left #openser. [22:14] CunningPike_ (n=CunningP@204.239.12.189) joined #openser. [22:40] L1nkGuard (n=locke@200.128.6.254) joined #openser. [22:41] hello guys! [22:44] wwalker (n=wwalker@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/wwalker) joined #openser. [22:45] qdk (n=qdk@80.243.125.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:48] I want to replace my Netrake nCite SBCs. I want to do so by May 1. Would you 1) use OpenSER 1.2.0 2) use OpenSER 1.1.1 3) stick with the nCite or 4) other? [22:48] has anyone already put openser to authenticate against active directory? i'd appreciate some help [23:03] skytale (n=skytale@193.170.48.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] CunningPike_ (n=CunningP@204.239.12.189) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:08] CunningPike_ (n=CunningP@204.239.12.189) joined #openser. [23:10] CunningPike_ (n=CunningP@204.239.12.189) left irc: Client Quit [23:14] h3x (n=hex@ip68-224-50-207.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:24] openser will do the job [23:24] both 1.1.1 and 1.2.0 [23:24] the sbc part [23:24] Nix (n=Nix@81.213.125.220) left irc: "sleeptime" [23:29] it's not quite an sbc though is it? [23:30] it can act as one [23:31] openser + rtpproxy [23:31] or [23:31] openser + mediaproxy [23:31] I prefer the first one: openser + rtpproxy [23:33] yeah mediaporxy doesn't sound that good, yet [23:34] it all depends ... [23:34] it's like a standard car vs an automatic one ;-) [23:34] I prefer the standard one (more control) [23:34] which is the auto? [23:34] mediaproxy [23:35] mediaproxy isn't written in C either [23:35] and it comes with more features, like accounting [23:35] iirc [23:35] yup [23:35] python [23:35] that sounds like a real dumb language to be doing rtp in [23:35] imho [23:35] and don't expect ANY support from the authors of mediaproxy [23:36] JerJer ... [23:36] maybe here in a few more weeks I will release my code that does the same thing as the mediaproxy python crap [23:36] how's going? [23:36] which is written in C [23:37] osas: not too bad.... i figured out enough of the accounting to make it work for that last project (what a nightmare) [23:37] nice [23:37] i am learning C, it sucks being at the mercy of others' poor code :P [23:37] now you are a python/mediaproxy expert ;- [23:37] ;- [23:37] ;-) [23:38] more like python/mediaproxy hacker [23:38] i hacked the hell out of it :( [23:38] and it was my first ever python experience too [23:38] sucked very much bad [23:39] I don't know python and I try to stay away from it [23:39] and from mediaproxy [23:40] unless my clients wants it [23:41] hey guys... [23:42] has anyone already put openser to authenticate against active directory? i'd appreciate some help [23:42] isn't that some kind of radius? [23:43] is radius able to authenticate against ad? [23:44] http://wiki.freeradius.org/FreeRADIUS_Active_Directory_Integration_HOWTO [23:46] thanks! i'll check! [23:46] ok [23:46] don't forget to update the wiki :-) [23:46] just by googleing around you may find some extra info ... [23:47] in our scenario we already have all users in a active directory base and we'd like to use it for authentication [23:48] A frind of mine did somthing similar, so it should be doable [23:49] he authenticated linux users against ad [23:49] nice! thanks... i'll update the wiki in the case i find a solution [23:50] good :-) [23:50] have fun btw [23:50] :-) sure! [00:00] --- Thu Mar 22 2007